From: "KMOTC" <kmotc@swbell.net>
To: "Ancient Egyptian Language List" <AEgyptian-L@rostau.org.uk>
Subject: AEL GLYPHSTUDY TRANSLATION SECTION: DISPUTE BETWEEN A MAN AND HIS BA
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:04:17 -0600

Current Reading: The Dispute Between a Man and His Ba, Berlin Papyrus No. 3024 

We will be doing 5 lines every two weeks.
Work will be due on Sunday nights

Schedule (sorry for the late posting--the group has already started)
You should jump in for 11.21, or 12.5

Sunday 11.7.10 Lines 1-5
Sunday 11.21.10 Lines 6-10
Sunday 12.5.10 Lines 11-15
Sunday 12.19.10 Lines 16-20
Sunday 1.9.11 Lines 21-25
Sunday 1.23.11 Lines 26-30


1.You will need to join GlyphStudy

Please send me a first and last name (it's policy) and let me know you 
want to join the Translation section.

2. You will need to join GlyphStudyTranslationGroup to post work.
I will send you an invitation, once we have you subscribed to GlyphStudy

the text is stored in Files on the Translation group list. It's also 
available online.

If you just want to follow the discussion but not send work, you may let 
me know.

If there is interest I can post the collations on AEL, especially since 
a few students were doing the same reading here.

best,
Karen 

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From: Shmakov Timofey <tshmakov@yandex.ru>
To: Ancient Egyptian Language List <aegyptian-l@rostau.org.uk>
Subject: AEL Re: Proposal about the identification of the sign Aa14
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:26:05 +0300

Dear listmembers,

I would like to make the following proposal about the identification
of the sign Aa13-16 which seems to be a discovery:

The sign Aa13/Aa14/Aa15/Aa16, having the phonetic value /jm/ or
/gs/ (in /gs/ "side") and which is treated as unknown,  represents IMO
{wooden plow with handles and frame mounting a nearly vertical
massive wooden spike} which is clear from its shape in the spelling
of the name of the god Imseti (jmstj) on the canopic box of Senebi
(MMA 11.150.17a, cf. also its crooked form in PT §552b), Coffin of
Ukhhotep (MMA 12.182.132a, b) and his canopic chest (MMA
12.182.133a, b) - you can find them on the MMA site
http://www.metmuseum.org.
In the usual (stylized) O. K. form of tilted V (Aa14) the point of
V represents {spike} while two rays of V represent {forked
frame with handles}

-- 
Timofey Shmakov,
Russian Federation
Omsk State Agrarian University
The Part-Time Department
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