Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:16:59 -0400 Subject: Re: AEL Old Egyptian Poem From: Aurelio LaRotta To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Greetings Augustin, The poem is part of a cycle of love poems found in pChester Beatty. You can find a nice digital version of this particular poem (including glyphs if you install their font) at: http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net/translations/chester_beatty_1glyphs.asp?item=56&variant=4 The poem you picked opens the cycle - it also starts and ends with the word "(the) one". This not a coincidence - the other poems (or stanzas, if you will) all start and end with the same word or a near homonym - poem #2 begins with "my brother", for example, and ends in "brother", too. This becomes interesting once you realize (as Junge points out in his "Neuaegyptisch") that "my brother" sounds very similar to the word for "two" (sn=j versus sn.wj, or attempting a vocalization *sanaj vs. *senau). Thus poem #1 starts and ends with the word 'one', poem #2 with a word that sounds like 'two' and so forth. I only have #1, #2 and #6 in front of me, but to judge from the transcriptions at this website: http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/literature/lovesongs.html, the homonyms in the other stanzas are just as creative. Hope this helps? Best regards, Aurelio ============================================================================== Subject: RE: AEL Different types of and words for "sand" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:21:33 +1000 From: "Bill Glidden" To: "Ancient Egyptian Language List" Hi Bob, I don't know, but now I'm wondering if there is a word(s) for this, too. Language is not the only realm affected by this cultural bias, of course. The visual (art) surely does: look at the different ways traditional cultures depict the world. Bill ============================================================================== From: "Roy L. Gentry" To: "'Ancient Egyptian Language List'" Subject: RE: AEL Sethe Pyramid Texts on line? Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:58:59 +0200 Try www.archive.org and type "sethe pyramidentexte" in the search box. -----Original Message----- From: owner-AEgyptian-L@rostau.org.uk [mailto:owner-AEgyptian-L@rostau.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ogden Goelet Sent: 02 May 2009 21:41 To: Ancient Egyptian Language List; Ancient Egyptian Language List Subject: AEL Sethe Pyramid Texts on line? Dear AEL-listers, I would like to know if there is an on-line version of the Sethe, Pyramiden Texte on line anywhere. Ogden Goelet ============================================================================== Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:37:33 -0400 From: Jerzy Prus Subject: Re: AEL Old Egyptian Poem To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Additionaly to many bibliographical data on the first stanza ("howet") of Chester Beatty papyrus. Good bibliography on the literature in English, German, French, and Italian - see K. A.Kitchen, Poetry of Ancient Egypt, 1999, p.317. Additionaly: Polish traslation was prepered by T. Andrzejewski, Piesni rozweselajce serce, 1963, p.75-76, Russian translation by V. Potapovoy, Lirika drevneho Egipta, 1965, p.39-40; old translattion Italian - B. de Rachewiltz, Liriche amorose degli antichi Egiziani, p.39. Regards, Jerzy Prus ============================================================================== From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: Re: AEL Different types of and words for "sand" Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:18:56 -0500 To: Ancient Egyptian Language List On 04 May 2009, at 17:14, msore@albawaba.com wrote: > How many words (or > lexemes or concepts or roots) were there in the Ancient Egyptian > lexicon > (an any given point in time and place) for "worship" or "praise"? > A lot more than for sand? Yes. What does that say about the culture > of the > peoples speaking the ancient Egyptian language(s)? Or, perhaps, rather what does it say about the interests and agendas of the particular people who were _writing_ the surviving documents (often monumental) in the ancient Egyptian language ...? That's a subset group that we might usefully distinguish from the larger group of people "speaking the ancient Egyptian language". Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson http://www.carlaz.com/ ============================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Weben Banu Subject: Re: AEL Different types of and words for "sand" To: Ancient Egyptian Language List <> This is true- it was once pointed out to me that if modern folk were placed in the situation in which the ancient Egyptians found themselves- living on a narrow strip of fertile land, subject to floods and droughts, and surrounded by the desert and all the dangerous creatures which lived in it- most modern folk would develop a very pessimistic attitude about the situation. And yet the Egyptian attitude toward life seems to have overall been pretty positive- perhaps that is reflected in the fact that there are more words for worship and praise than for sand. Of course, Carl has a point that the common, illiterate, folk might have had much more concern with things such as sand than the nobility. Kind regards, Katherine ==============================================================================