From: "Mark Vygus" To: "Ancient Egyptian Language List" Subject: AEL Piankoff book Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:57:46 +0100 I understand that Piankoff wrote a book about the Pyramid of Unas including pictures of the inscriptions. Does anyone have the ISBN / Publisher etc.. details of this book so that I can try and order it from my local library. Thank you Mark nsw-bit@msn.com ============================================================================== From: "James Doyle" To: "Ancient Egyptian Language List" Subject: Re: AEL Piankoff book Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:26:30 -0700 Mr. Vygus, Here is the information about Piankoff THE PYRAMID OF UNAS. THE PYRAMID OF UNAS Texts Translated with Commentary BY: Alexandre Piankoff Bollingen Series XL - 5 Princeton University Press 1969 (second printing) Library of Congress Catalog Card No. 65-26216 Hope this information will be of some help. Jim Doyle IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Necropoli di Tebe A Library of Ancient Egyptian History (A Private Collection) James M. Doyle egypt@primenet.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ============================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:34 -0400 From: Stew Driller To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Subject: Re: AEL Piankoff book It's "The Pyramid of Unas", Volume 5 of the Bollingen "Egyptian Religious Texts and Representations" series. It was published in 1968 by the Bollingen Foundation and Princeton University Press and has Library of Congress Catalog Card No. 65-26216. My copy doesn't have an ISBN number. I don't know if they were using them in 1968. I hope this is enough information to get a copy. Mark Vygus wrote: > I understand that Piankoff wrote a book about the Pyramid of Unas including > pictures of the inscriptions. > Does anyone have the ISBN / Publisher etc.. details of this book so that I > can try and order it from my local library. > > Thank you > > Mark nsw-bit@msn.com Stew Driller sdriller@erols.com ============================================================================== Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:42:21 +0100 From: grym@trybunal.gov.pl (Rymaszewska Grazyna) To: AEgyptian-L@rostau.demon.co.uk Subject: AEL Weni L14 Thank you very much for your help, Serge, with Weni. Now I am sitting on L14: I can not recognize signs at the end of the sentence: ... m Smaw mi-qd=f xnt m Abw mHt m ???. Who knows what is it? And what is _pr_ in the next sentence: ..m tA mHw m gswy pr mi-qd=sn. Mayby it means 'capital' of Delta. Please, help me. Yours grazyna ============================================================================== From: Michael Tilgner To: 'Ancient Egyptian Language List' Subject: AEL AW: AEL Piankoff book Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:48:55 +0200 Alexandre Piankoff, "The Pyramid of Unas", Princeton University Press, Princeton, N.J., 1968. (Bollingen Series XL, 5) 118 pp., 70 pl. By the way: This book is out of print now. If anybody has a copy to sell, please send me an e-mail directly. Michael Tilgner mtilgner@baan.nl ============================================================================== From: Aayko Eyma To: 'Ancient Egyptian Language List' Subject: AEL AW: AEL Weni L14 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:01:42 +-200 Dear Grazyna, >Now I am sitting on L14: >I can not recognize signs at the end of the sentence: .. m Smaw mi-qd=f xnt m Abw mHt m ???. **? + t + N24 (nome, district) ? is not in any of my lists either; it's like a flat bread wit a bite out of it. >Who knows what is it? "...from/out of entire Upper-Egypt, (i.e.) southwards to Elephantine (and) northwards to ?.t" So ?.t is obviously the most northern district of UE, like Elephantine is the souternmost. I could not find it on the map though. >And what is _pr_ in the next sentence: m tA mHw m gswy pr mi-qd=sn. **Like in this whole section, it's a place name: "from/out of Lower-Egypt, from/out of entire Dual-Sides/Borders-of-the-House," >Mayby it means 'capital' of Delta. **The 'in its entirity' suggests it's a large area, as with Upper-Egypt above. It's considered a name for the Delta; so the area between the E and W branches of the Nile? ***Ending line 14, start line 15: m sDr [town det. O49] m Xn-sDr [3x O36 wall, inb.w?][town det.] "from/out of Sendjer and from/out of Chen-sendjer" Also unknown places to me. Note that Xn.w writen: headless goat,wave, jar, chick, house means "interior, abode, royal residence" and sDr bold weat-bundle mouth house means "department(?) of the residence" (Faulkner) So it seems to me that twice residence here is no coincidence? Can the 3 x wall put the u behind Xn rather than after the whole term?? Xn.u-sDr vs. Xn-sDr.w Anyone? Could it thus be, seeing the lines before: "from Residence [of Upper Egypt] to Residence [of Lower Egypt]" ?? or "from (every) district and from (every) district's capital" ?? something like that. Not much help, was I? :) kind regards, Aayko Eyma ============================================================================== From: Scarabs RR Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:25:20 EDT To: AEgyptian-L@rostau.demon.co.uk Subject: AEL Scribe's funerary pallet Hi All! I'm researching a piece of an alabaster scribe's funerary pallet... it belonged to one "Djhuty-Nefer, son of the mayor (chief) Kherbatawy". This fragment was supposedly ex-Theodore M. Davis Collection and found at Tell-el-Amarna. It is similar to the pallet of Mertaten's ivory pallet (see: Carter, Howard The Tomb of Tutankhamen, New York, 1972; page 184) I checked the Prosopographia Aegypti (PA)and it listed a few Djhuty- Nefers but not one that is a son of xr bA tAwy. The PA was "closed" to additions, in 1924; subsequent discoveries could have added this individual to the list. My Djhuty-Nefer is not listed in Hari's Repertoire Onomastique Amarien, nor does he appear in Davies & Macadam's Egyptian Funerary Cones, or T.G.H James' Corpus of Hieroglyphic Inscriptions in the Brooklyn Museum, Volume I. Does anyone know where I might look to see if a "Djhuty-Nefer, son of the mayor (chief) Kherbatawy" has been recorded? Thank you. Russell Rudzwick at ScarabsRR@aol.com ============================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:35:55 -0500 From: Sylvain & Julie To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Subject: AEL grammar book for intermediates Hello all, I'm about to purchase the following book: Alan Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar" 3rd Edition Griffith Institute, Oxford, 1988 ISBN 0-900416-35-1 Is there a critic amoungst you? Does anyone have a suggestion? I'm looking for a fairly detailed book on or including grammar. Thank you, Sylvain Wilcox ============================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:59:28 +0100 From: grym@trybunal.gov.pl (Rymaszewska Grazyna) To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Subject: Re: AEL AW: AEL Weni L14 Dear Aayko, I am happy you answer me, the more so as you are right. In the meantime I've learned (from page "The Autobiography of Weni": "Transliteration by Geoffrey Graham. Typeset by Mike Dyall-Smith") that the transcription of > **? + t + N24 (nome, district) is = _mdn.i.t_ In the Hannig's dictionary states: "Medenit, Nome des 22. oberaegyptischen Gaus." Nom 22 is of Afroditopolis (Tep-ihet), vis-a-vis Faium. So you are right! And about > "from/out of Sendjer and from/out of Chen-sendjer" - in the Hannig's is: "Hn-sDrw = Ort in Ostdelta" and "sDr = Oertlichkeit", hence _sDr_ is - most probably - some place in Western Delta (they loved opositions as you know); maybe they are boundary fortresses. I think it will be nice to go there (to Egypt) and to explore this problem in situ :-) What you think? Best regards, Grazyna Aayko Eyma wrote: > > Dear Grazyna, > > >Now I am sitting on L14: > >I can not recognize signs at the end of the sentence: > > . m Smaw mi-qd=f xnt m Abw mHt m ???. > > **? + t + N24 (nome, district) > > ? is not in any of my lists either; it's like a flat bread wit a bite > out of it. > > >Who knows what is it? > > "...from/out of entire Upper-Egypt, (i.e.) southwards to Elephantine > (and) northwards to ?.t" > > So ?.t is obviously the most northern district of UE, like Elephantine > is the souternmost. I could not find it on the map though. > > >And what is _pr_ in the next sentence: > > m tA mHw m gswy pr mi-qd=sn. > > **Like in this whole section, it's a place name: > > "from/out of Lower-Egypt, from/out of entire Dual-Sides/Borders-of-the-House," > > >Mayby it means 'capital' of Delta. > > **The 'in its entirity' suggests it's a large area, as with Upper-Egypt above. > It's considered a name for the Delta; so the area between the > E and W branches of the Nile? > > ***Ending line 14, start line 15: > m sDr [town det. O49] m Xn-sDr [3x O36 wall, inb.w?][town det.] > > "from/out of Sendjer and from/out of Chen-sendjer" > > Also unknown places to me. Note that Xn.w writen: > headless goat,wave, jar, chick, house > means "interior, abode, royal residence" > and sDr > bold weat-bundle mouth house > means "department(?) of the residence" (Faulkner) > > So it seems to me that twice residence here > is no coincidence? > Can the 3 x wall put the u behind Xn rather > than after the whole term?? > Xn.u-sDr vs. Xn-sDr.w > Anyone? > > Could it thus be, seeing the lines before: > "from Residence [of Upper Egypt] to Residence [of Lower Egypt]" ?? > or > "from (every) district and from (every) district's capital" ?? > > something like that. > > Not much help, was I? :) > > kind regards, > Aayko Eyma ============================================================================== From: "Michel Mudde" To: "Ancient Egyptian Language List" Subject: Re: AEL Harris Magical Papyrus ? Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:45:38 +0200 Title: Die Heidelberger Fragmente des magischen Papyrus Harris / Martin Bommas; vorgelegt ... von Jan Assman Year: cop. 1998 Author: Bommas, Martin Edition: Heidelberg: Winter Annotation: Text of the papyrus fragments with german translation; 53 p., 4 p. ill ISBN: 3-8253-0585-6 (RU Leiden; KU Nijmegen; Bibl. KNAW Amsterdam) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Greg Reeder Aan: Ancient Egyptian Language List Datum: maandag 13 april 1998 20:55 Onderwerp: AEL Harris Magical Papyrus ? >Dear List, >I have been asked to help find information and a published copy of the >Harris Magical Papyrus. This papyrus is a hard one to track down. I found >references for it in "The Mechanics of Ancient Egyptian Magical Practice" >by Robert K. Ritner, Oriental Institute University of Chicago, 1993 . The >bibliography seems to indicate that the papyrus has only been published in > Lange, Hans O., Der magische Papyrus Harris. Coppenhagen: 1927. > >This papyrus is not to be confused with Papyrus Harris I "The Annals of >Rameses III." >Any help you could give on where it is ( BM?) and recent or accessable >publications would be appreciated. >Best regards, >Greg > > >Greg Reeder >http://www.egyptology.com >reeder@sirius.com > > > > ============================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:39:18 -0700 From: Stephen Fryer To: Ancient Egyptian Language List Subject: Re: AEL grammar book for intermediates Sylvain & Julie wrote: > I'm about to purchase the following book: > > Alan Gardiner's "Egyptian Grammar" > Is there a critic amoungst you? Does anyone have a suggestion? I'm > looking for a fairly detailed book on or including grammar. I'd recommend against getting Gardiner. It is just too out-of-date. It was originally written in 1927, and in spite of new editions in 1949 and 1956, nothing substantive has been changed since then. (Comparing it with a book written in 1926 and never revised makes this plain.) Much has been learned about Egyptian grammar since then. I would recommend James Hoch's _Middle Egyptian Grmmar_, which is reasonably up-to-date, and covers the full range of Egyptian Grammar. It conatins exercises (for some of which answers are available), and reading passages (including pretty much the whole of the Story of the Shipwrecked Sailor as an on-going project). It is available from the author ( James_Hoch@mail.campuslife.utoronto.ca ), from the publisher (Ben Ben - I don't have their address) or from Eisenbraun's ( http://www.eisenbrauns.com/ ). -- Stephen Fryer Lund Computer Services ************************************************** The more answers I find, the more questions I have ************************************************** ============================================================================== From: Abu Elisha Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:36:43 EDT To: wilcox@terraworld.net, owner-AEgyptian-L@rostau.demon.co.uk, AEgyptian-L@rostau.demon.co.uk Subject: AEL Re: AEL grammar book for intermediates I too am looking for a book on Egyptian grammar, preferably starting from scratch and with a lot of step-by-step exercises. While Gardener's is a classic and widely used, a number of institutions, including Stanford, are using a new publication by Hoch. Any advice or suggestions? Michael Akard Modesto, California ==============================================================================